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#: 19823 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
30-Jun-89 16:35:25
Sb: #ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Steve Sileo/Sysop 76703,4244
To: [F] Bob Greenfield 73077,3602
Bob,
SDA stands for 'self-dissolving archive,' a fancy phrase perhaps, but nothing
difficult.
An archive is a file which is in reality one or more files squeezed together or
compressed, and then stored as one unit. This makes it easier to transfer
files. One needn't worry that one has downloaded all the necessary files to
make a program work if all the necessary files are stored together.
Archives (ARC files) are usually unpacked or uncompressed using the ARC utility
(ARC230.BIN in CBMART's LIB1), but they can be made to un-arc all by
themselves: self-dissolving or SDA. To use an SDA, simply download it as a
program file, load it, and run it. It will then unpack all the files it
contains and write them to disk.
That's basically all there is.
-steve
#: 19847 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
01-Jul-89 22:13:30
Sb: #19823-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
To: Steve Sileo/Sysop 76703,4244 (X)
Steve,
I think it's important to add that an SDA file does NOT need to have an
extention of '.SDA', while a file that is ARC'd MUST have an extension of
'.ARC' in it's name in order to be dissolved with the ARC.230 Utility.
A lot of the difficulity arrises due to the fact that both types are named with
a '.BIN' extension in the DL's.
I would like to see a trend toward all files being SDA type files.
Ted
#: 19853 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
01-Jul-89 23:38:10
Sb: #19847-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346 (X)
Ted,
That's interesting. Personally, I'm prejudiced against SDA files in favor
of regular ARC. SDA files are always larger than a corresponding ARC would be,
since each SDA, by definition, contains the deARCing program. SDA files are
machine specific, either 64 or 128. This is probably mainly of interest to
GEOS 128 users, since they can use most GEOS 64 files, but need to GO64 to
dissolve a 64 mode SDA. 128 owners who have bought CS-DOS, the commercial 128
version of ARC, can dissolve ARC files in 128 mode. Also, I've yet to find a
program that'll let me build SDA files on a 1581. ARC itself trashes the
directory of a 1581 when the ARC/A command is used, and the ARC <-> SDA
programs I've seen don't know *what* to do with the lil wonder. All this is
just my personal feelings, and shouldn't be taken as any kind of statement of
the policy of this forum <grin>
#: 19858 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 00:50:49
Sb: #19853-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
One of the good features of SDA's is their ability to disolve repeatedly,
and onto a different disk than the Archive.
ARC'd prgms must disolve to the same disk that contains the Archive.
To store the Archive disk means an additional step of transferring the
dissolved files to a separate disk, and scratching them off the original.
There is much more flexibility with the ARC utility, but for combining a
game with some docs it usually
isn't necessary.
I like your disclaimer statement!
Ted
#: 19860 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 01:44:36
Sb: #19858-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
Ted,
Nope, ARC doesn't have to dissolve to the same disk as the input. For
instance, assume input is MYFILE.ARC on drive 8, output to be on drive 9. The
command sequence would be:
c: (to make 9 current)
arc/x a:myfile (to dissolve the input from 8)
I have had some problems if one drive is a 1571 with a double-sided disk in
it, but am convinced I could figure out how to deal with that, if I had the
ambition <grin>
#: 19861 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 01:45:50
Sb: #19860-ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Oh yeah. The simple command
arc/x a:myfile c:*.*
or something like it should work regardless of the "current" drive, *but
doesn't*. <shrug>
#: 19862 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 01:47:08
Sb: #19860-ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
All of which is, of course, beside the point for users who only *have* one
drive. They certainly benefit from SDA's.
#: 19848 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
01-Jul-89 22:20:04
Sb: #19823-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
To: Steve Sileo/Sysop 76703,4244 (X)
Steve,
One more question- Do you know if it matters whether an ARC or SDA file with a
.BIN extension and downloaded with Vidtex needs to be processed using the
'XSTRIP' utility before being dissolved?
Ted
#: 19851 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
01-Jul-89 23:18:50
Sb: #19848-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Steve Sileo/Sysop 76703,4244
To: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346 (X)
Ted,
I don't remember ever having to strip off the xmodem padding from an ARC or SDA
file. Then again, I think I can count on one hand the number of files which
just wouldn't work until I did strip 'em. Maybe I've just been lucky. Then
again, maybe I just haven't downloaded enough files!!!
-steve
#: 19857 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 00:38:09
Sb: #19851-ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
To: Steve Sileo/Sysop 76703,4244
I haven't had any problems disolving either SDA or ARC files
without doing any stripping first either.
In theory all files D/L with Vidtex that are .BIN types ought to be
run through the stripper prg first.
However, as you said, I never do it unless it says it needs stripping in
the file description (as does XTRIP.BIN).
Most of the time the padding doesn't seem to affect the program
at all.
I just thought I'd check.
Ted
#: 19854 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
01-Jul-89 23:40:30
Sb: #19848-#ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346 (X)
Ted,
As I remember, ARC is specifically built to be able to ignore Xmodem
padding. SDA's would depend on the particular SDA program being used, but I've
yet to see one fail because of padding. It is possible, I suppose, that a
really large SDA could be pushed over the allowable size threshold by padding,
but I haven't seen it happen.
#: 19859 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 00:52:17
Sb: #19854-ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Ted Bernhardi 70407,1346
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Nope, me neither.
#: 19869 S1/Help/Data Lib Tools
02-Jul-89 11:16:48
Sb: #19861-ARC & SDA Files
Fm: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Yeah, I noticed that too! The drive whirred and it acted like it was
dissolving, but the files never turned up anywhere, on any disk. Got me
totally confused.
I have also noticed that on occasion, when trying to un-ARC files on a GEOS
disk, I will get a "dir error" message. I gather that the program is
encountering the GEOS information and getting confused. Sometimes the stuff
will un-ARC successfully and sometimes it won't. I've gone back to un-ARC-ing
on a regular disk and then moving the files over to the GEOS disk. Takes a
little extra time but saves a lot of aggravation.
--M--